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Haziran 11, 2007, 02:51:37 ös
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ayrıca bıgbang deneyı dıye bırseyde yoktur sn bilmeliyimgalilei.deneyın bu ısmı dan brown tarafından solenmıstır ancak deneyın ısmı bu degıldır.amacı evtenın olusumuna fızıksel anlam bulmaktır.ve bunun ıcın deneylerde yapılmısıtr.ama amac dıne karsı yapılmıs bır olusum degıldır
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Haziran 11, 2007, 03:18:54 ös
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1 dollar uzerinde bulunan 1776 yili, Amerika`nin 4 temmuz 1776 daki kurtulus gununu temsil eder. Amerikanin Ozgurluk Bildirmesi yine ayni tarihte imzalanmistir. Bu bildirgeyi imzalayan 56 kisiden 9 unun Mason oldugu kesin olarak bilinmektedir. Gene bu bildirgeyi hazirlayan kisi Thomas Jefferson; bir Masondur.

Ayni yillarda Amerikan Kara Kuvvetleri Komutanliginin General ofisinde bulunan 74 komutandan 33 u, kesin olarak Masonlugu bilinen kisilerdir.
- Sahsima ozel mesaj atmadan once Yonetim Hiyerarsisini izleyerek ilgili yoneticiler ile gorusunuz.
- Masonluk hakkinda ozel mesaj ile bilgi, yardim ve destek sunulmamaktadir.
- Sorunuz ve mesajiniz hangi konuda ise o konudan sorumlu gorevli yada yonetici ile gorusunuz. Sahsim, butun cabalarinizdan sonra gorusmeniz gereken en son kisi olmalidir.
- Sadece hicbir yoneticinin cozemedigi yada forumda asla yazamayacaginiz cok ozel ve onemli konularda sahsima basvurmalisiniz.
- Masonluk ve Masonlar hakkinda bilgi almak ve en onemlisi kisisel yardim konularinda tarafima dogrudan ozel mesaj gonderenler cezalandirilacaktir. Bu konular hakkinda gerekli aciklama forum kurallari ve uyelik sozlesmesinde yeterince acik belirtilmsitir.


Haziran 11, 2007, 07:01:42 ös
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For conspiracy theorists in particular (and also for those who like to see doggies and horsies in puffy cloud formations), it's a wonderful symbol on which to fixate: the Great Seal of the United States being part of some huge secret 'sign' that Freemasonry rules everything - and proven by the United States' one dollar bill.

Curiously, it's a theory which is sometimes reinforced by naive Masons repeating an oft-heard (but totally erroneous) claim that Masons did, in fact, design the seal.

Great Seal - FrontGreat Seal - ObverseReality, however, is quite different.
Only one person involved in the initial (not the ultimately approved) design was thought to be a Mason; the man who did the design  (Hopkinson) - yet there is no proof whatsoever of his Masonic membership!

The designing of a seal of the U.S. was first commissioned by the Continental Congress immediately after the signing of the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776. A committee consisting of Benjamin Franklin (a Mason), John Adams (not a Mason), and Thomas Jefferson (not a Mason although sometimes erroneously identified as one) submitted a design that was deemed unacceptable, as were designs submitted by two succeeding committees. In 1782 (nearly six years later!) these designs were submitted to Charles Thomson, Secretary to the Continental Congress, (and NOT a Mason) who prepared a design which, with some alterations, was adopted by the congress on June 20, 1782.

The United States Department of State has an excellent publication titled The Great Seal of the United States which you can download in Adobe PDF Format and print on your own printer. It's available right here http://www.state.gov/www/dept_atstate.html (the second option down).

Peek-A-Boo!There are also some specific items in the Great Seal that attract attention, specifically the eye in the pyramid. For more detailed information on that, please see our separate page here.

Here's some additional, detailed information about the Seal, all of which is thanks to the research of Texas Mason Bill Maddox to whom this site's author is grateful for being a valued resource.

In a book titled THE EAGLE AND THE SHIELD - A History of the Great Seal of the United States (1976), on Page 529: "Did Freemasonry Influence the Great Seal Design?"

"Because membership records for the Revolutionary period are scattered and imperfect, it is not possible to ascertain with certainty which persons among the 14 who participated in the designing of the Great Seal were Masons and which were not. Conrad Hahn, Executive Secretary of the Masonic Service Association of the US has furnished the following:

1. Definitely a Mason: Bro. Ben Franklin.
2. Definitely not: John Adams and Charles Thomson.
3. No firm evidence of a Masonic connection, although allegations of such a connection have been noted: Jefferson, Lovell, Hopkinson, Middleton, Rutledge. (note: Based on more current research, it is now accepted that Jefferson was not a Mason!)
4. No record at all, so presumably not Masons: Du Simitiere, Scott, Houston, Lee, Boudinot, and William Barton (although he has at times been confused with another William Barton who was a Mason).

Although Washington was a Mason, he played no role in designing the Great Seal. And although Benjamin Franklin, a Mason and Past Grand Master of Pennsylvania, was a member of the first seal committee, his proposal (P14) had no influence on the final designs, and he was in France when those designs were drawn up. The only individual listed who has been said to be a Mason (with no firm evidence) is Hopkinson, whose pyramid design for the Continental currency's $50 bill clearly influenced the final reverse of the Great Seal.

The pyramid, the eye, and the radiant triangle have often been considered to be of Masonic origin. Writers who are Masons have also seen Masonic symbolism in the eagle, in the number of feathers on the eagle's wings, etc. It should perhaps be noted that some of the details studied and interpreted by these writers are those of comparatively recent realizations of the Great Seal, details which are not stated in the blazon itself and are not to be found in the Great Seal die of 1782.

Without questioning the fact that element of the Great Seal design are also to be found as Masonic symbols, one may question whether the designers of the seal intended it to be given a specifically Masonic interpretation. Since there is no evidence that either Thomson or Barton was a Mason, and as they were the two individuals responsible for the final design, the presumption would be that they did not intend their work to be given a Masonic interpretation.

Were there sources other than Freemasonry from which symbols such as the all-seeing eye and the unfinished pyramid could have been taken? The answer is yes. Use of the eye in art forms, including medallic art, as a symbol for an omniscient and ubiquitous Deity was a well established artistic convention quite apart from Masonic symbolism, and DuSimitiere, an artist, would have been aware of this. As to the Pyramid, there was widespread interest in Egypt in the 18th century. There was a detailed work entitled Pyramidographia which would have been available to both Hopkinson and Barton. This work included a drawing of the "First Pyramid", which was stepped, did not come to a complete point, and had an entrance in the center on the ground level-a detail also in Hopkinson's design.

While these points are not conclusive, it seems likely that the designers of the Great Seal and the Masons took their symbols from parallel sources, and unlikely that the seal designers consciously copied Masonic symbols with the intention of incorporating Masonic Symbolism into the national Coat of Arms."

Further from the same book:

Use of the motto "In God We Trust" - P518

From the House Committee on the Judiciary (3/28/1956)

This joint resolution establishes "In God We Trust" as the national motto of the U.S. At present the U.S. has no national motto. It is most appropriate that "In God We Trust" be so designated.... Further recognition of this motto was given by the adoption of the Star-Spangled Banner as our national anthem. One stanza ... is as follows: "And this be our motto -- 'In God is our trust.'"

On page 75 are Charles Thomson's notes on his design - A pyramid unfinished - In the Zenith an Eye in a triangle ... Over the Eye these words Annuit coeptis ... and underneath [the pyramid] these words Novus Ordo seclorum." The pyramid was taken from an earlier design of William Barton (shown on page 67) that had a different motto DEO FAVENTE (God favoring) PERENNIS (through the years). This, in  turn, was similar to the design of a Fifty Dollar bill designed by Francis Hopkinson. Thomson wrote the following: "The pyramid signifies Strength and Duration: The Eye over it & Motto allude to the many signal interpositions of providence in favour of the American cause. The date underneath is that of the Declaration of Independce and the words under it signify the beginnings of the New American Era, which commences from that date." P85.

P89. "The two mottoes which Thomson suggested, and Congress adapted, for the reverse ... can be traced more definitely to the poetry of Virgil. Gaillard Hunt, in the Department of States first publisher on the seal in 1892, took official notice .... Annuit Coeptis, was described by Hunt as an allusion to line 625 of book IX of the Aeneid JUPPITER OMNIPOTES, AUDACIBUS ANNUE COEPTIS (All-powerful Jupiter favor [my] daring undertakings). The last three words appear also in Virgil's GEORGICS, book I, line 40: DA FACILEM CURSUM, ATQUE AUDACIBUS ANNUE COEPTIS (Give [me] an easy course, and favor [my] daring undertakings). Thompson changed the imperative ANNUE to ANNUIT, the third person singular form of the same verb in either the present tense of the perfect tense. The the motto ANNUIT COEPTIS the subject of the verb must be supplied, and the translator must also choose the tense. In his 1892 brochure, Hunt suggested that the missing subject was in effect the eye at the apex of the pyramid ... and he translated the motto-in the present tense-as "it (the Eye of Providence) is favorable to our undertakings." In later publication the missing subject of the verb ANNUIT was construed to be God, and the motto has been translated in more recent Department publications - in the perfect tense - as "He (God) has favored our undertakings".

P90. NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM, Hunt noted an allusion to line 5 of Virgil's ECLOGUE IV, which read in an eighteenth-century edition : "MAGNUS AB INTEGRO SECLORUM NASITUR ORDO". Hunt translated this line as "The great series of ages begins anew" and translated the motto as "a new order of centuries." More recently, "a new order of the ages."

P91. Hunt stated that the words ANNUIT COEPTIS NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM had "commonly been taken as one motto, meaning 'the new series of ages is favorable to our undertakings'", but he pointed out that it was evident from Thomson's comments that the "intention was to have two mottoes."

Because of the use of "seals" in official documents, the Great Seal of the United States appears in many places. Needless to say, conspiracy theorists see this as part of a huge cabal to send secret signals. In their zeal, they totally disregard history and how seals have been used throughout the ages. This object of their fascination now appears on a wide variety of documents, including presidential proclamations, instruments of ratification of treaties, and the commissions of cabinet officers, ambassadors, and other foreign service officers.

The U.S. presidential seal is similar to the Great Seal, but differs from it in the border inscription "The Seal of the President of the United States."


 
 
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Haziran 11, 2007, 09:31:28 ös
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sanırım masonik ülke tanımında yanlış anlaşıldım veyada yanlış ifade ettim fakat amerikanın kuruluşunda ki isimlerin bir çoğu mason değilmi?ve tam bilmesemde birçok önemli yerde mason anıtlarının oldupunu okumuştum..elbetteki masonların amacının bir ülke kurmak olmaması olabilir ama masonik ülke tanımında onu kastetmiştim


bu arada defalarca dan brown hakkında yazarken söylemiştim kitabın gerçekt olduğun yazmadım sadece yazdığım kitapta anlatılmak istenenin illimunati oluşumunun kitapta din karşıtı bir oluşum olarak anlatıldığı idi..

deneyin isminin bigbang olmadığını bende bilmekteyim sadece tam ismin bilmediğim için öyle yazdım ki zaten deneyin amacı evrenin oluşunu başlattığına inanılan ve ismi bigbang olan fiziksel olayın bir benzerini elde etmek değilmi??
buda birçok görüş tarafından yaradılış kavramını bitirecek bir deney olarak gösterilmekte

herkese Saygılarımla


Haziran 11, 2007, 10:04:36 ös
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Kitapta okudugunu yanlis anlamissin. Bir daha oku bence :)
Kitaba gore onlar DIN KARSITI degil, zamaninda kilisenin her turlu arastirmayi kafirlik kabul edip afaroz etmesine karsiydilar. Insan nasil anlamak istiyorsa oyle anliyor. Demek ki basarili bir yazar ;)

Ayrica Ulkeyi masonlar kurmamis. Eger yanlisim yoksa ozgurluk bildirgesini imzalayanlarin cogu masonmus.

Yani Turkiye' Cumhuriyetinin kurulusunda Ittihat ve terakki dernegi uyeleri calismalar yapti diye Turkiye'yi Ittihat ve Terakki kurmustur, Turkiye ittihat ve terakki derneginin ulkesidir demek ne kadar abesle istigalse bu da o kadar abesle istigaldir ;)
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Haziran 11, 2007, 10:37:26 ös
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yaw ben yazıyorum ki ülkeyi masonlar kurmamış aralarına masonlar varmış sevgili asi de bana yazıyorki ülkeyi masonlar kurmamış :D  :D :D bende onu söylüyorum sevgili dostum ülkeyi kuranlar arasında masonlar varmış diyorum . . .masonlar kurmuş demiyorum
kitabı gerçekten bu gece tekrar incelicem dediğin gibi önce kiliseye karşı olan ama daha sonra BİLİME KARŞI OLAN HERŞEYE KARŞI BİR OLUŞUM diye biliyorum...

bu arada ekliyeyim eğer bir yazarın kitabındaki cümleler kendi kafasındaki ifade etmiyor her okuyan başka birşey anlıyorsa o yazar başarılı değildir...  :D :D


Haziran 11, 2007, 10:46:32 ös
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Ya... yemin ediyorum imzama ekleyecegim. MESAJIM GENELEDIR diye :)

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bu arada ekliyeyim eğer bir yazarın kitabındaki cümleler kendi kafasındaki ifade etmiyor her okuyan başka birşey anlıyorsa o yazar başarılı değildir...
Bak bu sana :D

Eger o yazar komplo teorileri yazip da, ne oldugu belli olmayan kavramlari milletin forumlarda tartismasina sebep oluyorsa o yazar iyi yazardir.

Ha, eger herkesin farkli anlamasinin sebebi anlatim bozuklugu ise dedigin dogrudur ;)
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Haziran 11, 2007, 10:52:48 ös
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:D seninle tartışabilmek güzel :D bende imzama dan brown doğru yazmıştır demedim sölyedikleri gerçektir demedim diye ekliyeceğim gerçekten forumda buraya giren hemen dan brown hayal ürünü yazıyor demekte :D :D


Haziran 11, 2007, 10:53:38 ös
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:D Bak bulASma bana! :d
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Haziran 11, 2007, 11:02:15 ös
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Buradan adminlere sesleniyorum! Bakin uslu uslu oynuyorum. Sonra beni uyarip durmayin ;D
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